Have bucks answering back to Bleat-in-Heat.

[Soletitbe]

This started back in the early 1990,s when the Bleat-In-Heat first came on the market. I talked to Mr. Kirby about it a few years later. I don,t know if he recalls the phone conversation but the deer are still doing it. I contacted another call company which i will not name here and after some legal papers were signed ( which was their idea ) i sent the recorded call to them to study. I told them i seen some deer making the new vocals and they do it every day i go in the woods down here from Sept. til Dec.

I got some phone calls from them and an email saying it was a deer that was out of breath. Knowing this was not true i invited an official scorer for the Nova Scotia Big Game Society into the woods one day this year with a guarantee that i would get bucks calling back with a new vocal using the QB Bleat-In-Heat. They sure called back an he was very pleased and said he never heard that vocal in his 60 years of hunting. He also said he would buy a QB call and use it in his hunting and might write it up in the next edition of their book next year.. He also said the deer were not out of breath. I told him to do what he pleases because i want all of North America to hear the new vocal and for free i hope. From my many years of hearing and recording its a very social call of a buck asking what he thinks is a doe to come to him.

[TrophyTracker]

This sounds very interesting! How loud was this vocalization?

[Soletitbe]

It all depends how close they are Chad. When i first call with the Bleat-In-Heat they more then likely answer but with our human hearing i can,nt pick it up until they get closer. The closer they get the louder the vocals and they bring in more bucks with their calls. I was in a tree stand in 1994 and called and got a reply right away so i but the call away so he would not pin point me and stay at a distance and try to call the doe to him has they do most of the time. But another buck called too my right when he heard the first buck call. The first buck must of circled down wind of me and came in to get the doe before the other but i was lucky enough to be high up and my scent went over him. I did not know he was right under my stand until he called and i nearly fell from the tree because it was louder then i ever heard before. I had a scope but did not need it to harvest him, he was that close. I love my backstraps so i don,t always take a recorder in the woods with me, most of the time only the call and a gun. I do have calls recorded as close as 25 yards. You have my email Chad and if you would like me to play some to you just email me and we can take in the time difference and set up a time and date so you can hear what they sound like at that distance.

[TrophyTracker]

That sounds like a plan, man. Sounds like you are involved in some awesome encounters up there in the Big Woods!

[FlHunter23]

Soletitbe, How well do you think this would work on pressured deer? I took a primos can with me to the woods the other day for for laughs. I dont own a qb bleat in heat, but i suppose its made the same way as the primos. do you let the inside fall all the way down?

[tyson129]

This is really cool stuff!!! I live in Maine so I am just South/South West of you...I would love to hear the deer sounds you have recorded! Is there any way that you could link me or send me a PM of it as well!
Please and Thank You!

Tyson

[tyson129]

I would also love to hear some tactics about using the bleat in heat and would like to know if I should get the bleat in heat or the bleat in heat II? Could anyone tell me why having a higher pitched bleat is more affective? What age of deer would make a higher pitched bleat? What would make me want to get the bleat in heat II over the bleat in heat? I am so torn because I was going to get the Squeezin' Bleat but now after hearing this I don't know!:confused:
Thanks in Advance!

[TrophyTracker]

Get them all! It's only money:D

[tyson129]

Get them all! It's only money:D
HAHA. Seriously though man! All my money has been spent on Benelli and Sitka Gear! The money remaining I want to spend just as wisely! ;)

[Soletitbe]

Soletitbe, How well do you think this would work on pressured deer? I took a primos can with me to the woods the other day for for laughs. I dont own a qb bleat in heat, but i suppose its made the same way as the primos. do you let the inside fall all the way down?

I found the original Bleat-In-Heat the best for my callbacks. Tryed many other tip up calls but they do not work as good for me. The machining process was such that the holes are just different enough to make the bucks answer this call much better. Bleats certainly work, but there is no rhyme or reason to it. I’ve studied whitetails for more than 40 years and can tell you does do not go around bleating their heads off when they’re in estrus. In fact, they are nearly mute and communicate mostly through body language and the scents they’re emitting during this time. However, that being said, I’ve killed a lot of bucks by using the Bleat-In-Heat .It’s tough to explain. I think deer just know those sounds and instinctually respond to them.
The deer had a lot of pressure on them at times and the buck to doe ratio did not seem to matter over the years. In the 80.s & 90,s the ratio was about the same but now the doe population is down so far that we need to put in for a doe draw on the mainland. ( I got picked this year ) but i,m still getting callbacks every day down here. Leaving at 5 am in the morning with 3 of my friends to scout out some places and use the QB call to locate some bucks for them. The season opens this Friday for whitetails. The first 3 calls i make are about 5 seconds apart and i let the bellow go all the way and then i wait about 20 min. to hear if i get a call back. If i,m hunting i will not call back when i hear them but if i,m recording i call back every time they answer me. And my hands get sore at times because they stay and call back so quick and for a long period of time i have not got the time to let the bellow go to the bottom. Hope this helps FI Hunter23.

[Soletitbe]

This is really cool stuff!!! I live in Maine so I am just South/South West of you...I would love to hear the deer sounds you have recorded! Is there any way that you could link me or send me a PM of it as well!
Please and Thank You!

Tyson

Tyson, the deer we have here in Nova Scotia are believed to have crossed in from Maine in the 1800,s before that we only had moose and bear for big game. I would love you and all the members to hear the vocals but being new to the forum i,m still trying to find my way around. Is there a way i can upload some to the site?

Johnny aka soletitbe

[Soletitbe]

I would also love to hear some tactics about using the bleat in heat and would like to know if I should get the bleat in heat or the bleat in heat II? Could anyone tell me why having a higher pitched bleat is more affective? What age of deer would make a higher pitched bleat? What would make me want to get the bleat in heat II over the bleat in heat? I am so torn because I was going to get the Squeezin' Bleat but now after hearing this I don't know!:confused:
Thanks in Advance!

Hope i answered in some of my posts above.

[FlHunter23]

I live in central Florida and the bucks i hunt are well educated. Ive only seen one rack buck and shot a small 4 point in the 4 years ive been hunting. The woods get molested by hunters every year and im pretty sure the buck to doe ratio is 500 does to 1 buck. Not really but ive seen a lot more does than bucks. The good thing is there are a ton of hogs in the area.

Ill have to try out one of those QB bleat-in-heat calls when i get the chance. I know your not claiming it to be a "Magic Call" poof and heres a 10 pointer, but i believe if i use the right call on the right day at the right time things just might go my way. Plus its a QB call, cant get any better than that.

[tyson129]

Hope i answered in some of my posts above.

Yes you did with very great detail and I thank you for that Soletitbe. I have never uploaded audio to any of the Forums that I participate on, you would have to talk to Chad about that one. I will send you my email in a PM, that way you could send the audio file(s) as an attachment in an email to me.
Thanks Again! :D

[Soletitbe]

Told you i,m not that good with computers tyson. This is what came up when i tryed to submit an answer to your pm so i will put it here.


The following errors occurred with your submission:

1. The following users were not found:

1. Tyson the 20 minutes between calling is right on for hunting and another tip is to put your QB call in a zip lock bag. The deer can still hear the calls and this will stop any pine needles ect: from getting in the holes of the call and ruin the call on you. I called my son and he said my calls are 700 MB and its to large to attach to an email and my season starts tommorrow, but he said he will work on it to get part of it down to 20 MB or so because that is what most emails will take. Whatever he can get it down to (and when he can do it for me ) i will attach to your email and send it off to you. Best of luck with your season.

Johnny aka soletitbe

[FlHunter23]

an average 4 minute song is about 4 mb. if you could cut the audio down to just the actual sound the deer makes you could be around 90 kbs or lower probably. you could do this with a free program called audicity. If you dont know a whole lot about computers though id just let your son do it. Just an fyi ;)

[tyson129]

Told you i,m not that good with computers tyson. This is what came up when i tryed to submit an answer to your pm so i will put it here.


The following errors occurred with your submission:

1. The following users were not found:

1. Tyson the 20 minutes between calling is right on for hunting and another tip is to put your QB call in a zip lock bag. The deer can still hear the calls and this will stop any pine needles ect: from getting in the holes of the call and ruin the call on you. I called my son and he said my calls are 700 MB and its to large to attach to an email and my season starts tommorrow, but he said he will work on it to get part of it down to 20 MB or so because that is what most emails will take. Whatever he can get it down to (and when he can do it for me ) i will attach to your email and send it off to you. Best of luck with your season.

Johnny aka soletitbe

Thank you. Good Luck!
Happy Hunting!:D

[adamz]

I was going to get the Squeezin' Bleat but now after hearing this I don't know!:confused:
Thanks in Advance!

Don't hesitate, the mechanics of using the Squeezin Bleat is superior to the tip can. Dick hit the nail on the head big time with this call.
You can make inflections with it you can't get with a tip can call.
The bellows is the key, take it off when walking and put in on for calling.
If you guys can't find em call Quaker Boy and they'll ship them for sure.
Z

[tyson129]

Thanks, just picked one up, haven't watched the DVD that came with it yet, hope it has some really great tips!

[tyson129]

Tried out the Squeezin' Bleat this morning, it had much better versatility than the heat in bleat but if you are not careful the call can slip out of the sleeve and if you are in a tree stand that is not good at all!!!
I still need a lot of practice with this call, but I am glad that I picked it up.
Now I am going to order the Brawler Buck call because no one carries it around here! Anyone know how long it takes QB to process an Order before shipping it?
Thanks in Advance.

[TrophyTracker]

If you ordered it today before three, I believe it would be there either Fri, Sat, or Mon.

Don't quote me on that, but that's pretty close.

The shipping is free, and you get a sweet QB sticker to floss in your hometown on your rig!:D

[Soletitbe]

Glad you picked up the Squeezin Bleat tyson and have to get one myself. Sent the call backs off to you so let us know if you got them. My son worked on them at his place and forward them to me and i did the same to you. Don,t know what program he used put it took a long time to forward. Thanks for info FlHunter23. Any call from QB is A-1 in my bag Tyson.

Johny aka soletitbe

[tyson129]

Glad you picked up the Squeezin Bleat tyson and have to get one myself. Sent the call backs off to you so let us know if you got them. My son worked on them at his place and forward them to me and i did the same to you. Don,t know what program he used put it took a long time to forward. Thanks for info FlHunter23. Any call from QB is A-1 in my bag Tyson.

Johny aka soletitbe

Johny, I received the sound files and they are great, but upon hearing them, as alien as they sound I actually got chills down my spine.
This is the first year that I have been hearing that noise. I have been hearing it since late July, the first time I heard it my Dad and I were in my ground blind hunting Black Bear when the noise began. We looked at each other and started laughing a little, because we had no clue what was making that sound. Out of all the years he has spent in the woods and all the years I have spent in the woods we have never heard this sound!
Over the last several months I have thought the noise to be many different things, that first day in July we were hunting near a swamp and it led me to think it was a strange bird or possibly amphibious, but as the months went on I was pretty sure it was a bird because the cold weather moved in.
This morning in the woods around 5:30 a.m. I started using the Bleat in Heat and my Brawler and all that I could get back for responses was that strange sound. I found it very odd because it is getting really cold up here and I thought the bird would have gone south.
Have you ever seen the deer that are making this sound? Are you 100% positive they are deer, and if so are they bucks or does? I am very curious now, because for 4 months I have believed the sound to be coming from a bird, but after hearing your recordings, we are hearing the exact same animal.
I am very interested but a little perplexed by the recordings and my experiences with the sound that we are both hearing. More information would be great.
Thanks a lot for your time, the recordings, and the email!
Tyson

[Soletitbe]

Tyson i,m 110% positive they are deer and only seen bucks make this vocal. If you read all my posts on this topic you will see were i shot one in 1994 while he was making this vocal. Its bucks asking what they think is a doe to come to them. The bucks hear a twig snap or the QB Bleat-In-Heat call and start calling to see if they get a response from a doe. I had 4 bucks around me at one time and kept them there for over an hour because when they called i called back and they would respond until my arm got sore. My son who was with me went upwind from one and got close enough to see the buck before he got busted.

They call were i live " The gateway to Newfoundland" and thats because the trans Canada highway ends here and all the trucks and cars have to take one of many ferries to get there. The place were i recorded all these calls is not far from the trans Canada and although we can,t hear the traffic on the recordings the deer can. I made up a call with a cd player, 10 ft. lengths of electrical cord and amplified speakers and played the new vocals back in the same area ( because they were use to the traffic noise ) and called deer right in to the speakers. A friend of mine who is a physics professor gave his class a cd with the call backs and did not tell them it was a deer or annimal of anykind but asked them to dublicate the sound without any electrical equipment and they could not do it. Then he got some other professors around the country to try and they could not do it.

The owner of a call company in the USA was going to come down a few years back and i was going to take him to a spot were there was no traffic so that he could get some good call backs but at the last minute he backed out saying it was to cold here, well thats his loss. I think electronic calls are allowed in Maine so if you can get some good recordings you will have an awesome call at your finger tips. I love huntings and the outdoors to much and at the age now that i,m not recording no more just sitting back an enjoying the call backs and harvesting whitetails. Best of luck in all you do.

Johnny aka soletitbe

PS: If your hunting and not recording stop calling as soon as you hear that vocal i sent ya. :)

[tyson129]

PS: If your hunting and not recording stop calling as soon as you hear that vocal i sent ya. :)

Why will it bring them right in? Because that would be GREAT! And you are 100% right electronic calls are allowed in Maine.
Man if you play your cards right you could make some good money with those recordings on a hand held e-caller! Make a website and sell them for what the e-calls go for ($40 and up...way up!) and then you could be sitting back in the outdoors harvesting white tailed deer with a big smile on your face knowing that you have a few bucks in the Bank while you do what you have always done, living it up in the outdoors!!!:D
Thanks for the recordings and thanks for the tips, by the way, since I don't really have the setup for recording (We have a 4 track or whatever its called for recording music but you have to plug into it) could I use your calls by permission? Also do you think I would get results with the recordings you sent me?
Any tips on how to use the call would be great Like an easy sound rig (Inexpensive preferably), got till the end of November to Harvest my Buck. Even though I have a Doe Tag, I don't want to use it because the buck to doe ratio on our land is where we want it and I am waiting out for a mature old Buck. We practice strict Game Management on our 600 + Acre plot of land, and with the harsh winters we have been having we could use a few extra does carrying some extra deer for our property! Its been really bad on our herd the last 2 years, luckily I have been setting up some stands and such for limiting our out of control coyote problem. Hundreds of them on our land right now and they are destroying our deer population! Sorry that I am a little off topic but We are even placing White Painted Plywood Sheets Behind the Bait sites that will be going up in December so that night hunting them will be even easier. You are more than welcome in joining me for some coyote hunting if you would like. The deer will really appreciate what we are about to do for them!
Many Thanks,
Tyson

[Soletitbe]

Tyson the tapes i sent you may not work in your area, deer are much more in tune with their environment and so the physical attributes of their ears are able to more precisely pinpoint the location of a sound.That is why i mentioned to you to stop calling when you hear the call back if you are not recording because they may walk out in front of you while they are looking for the doe they heard before. Unnatural sounds ring loud and clear to a deer. Metal on metal sounds involving weapons or tree stands are not natural in the woods, also trucks and cars in the background is not. Like i said these tapes that i recorded have 18 wheelers, trucks,cars ect: in the background and although we can,t hear them with the human ear the deer can. Uncompressed digital sound files tend to be very large. My son had to compress these files to make them more manageable so we could send it to you, but this can affect the sound quality. You sure can use the calls and i hope they work on your property. If i were to sell the calls on the web i would go back were there is no roads and get some great recordings but i have no wish to do this i just want to hunt and fish and enjoy the rest of my life in the great outdoors and help others and also learn from others. Thanks for the coyote hunting offer but as you might have heard of the yotes that killed the woman down here we have many to get rid of, and we got a lot so far. Maybe next year i.ll drive back were there is no traffic and record some good calls and send them to you.Best of luck with the calls.

Johnny aka soletitbe

[tyson129]

Tyson the tapes i sent you may not work in your area, deer are much more in tune with their environment and so the physical attributes of their ears are able to more precisely pinpoint the location of a sound.That is why i mentioned to you to stop calling when you hear the call back if you are not recording because they may walk out in front of you while they are looking for the doe they heard before. Unnatural sounds ring loud and clear to a deer. Metal on metal sounds involving weapons or tree stands are not natural in the woods, also trucks and cars in the background is not. Like i said these tapes that i recorded have 18 wheelers, trucks,cars ect: in the background and although we can,t hear them with the human ear the deer can. Uncompressed digital sound files tend to be very large. My son had to compress these files to make them more manageable so we could send it to you, but this can affect the sound quality. You sure can use the calls and i hope they work on your property. If i were to sell the calls on the web i would go back were there is no roads and get some great recordings but i have no wish to do this i just want to hunt and fish and enjoy the rest of my life in the great outdoors and help others and also learn from others. Thanks for the coyote hunting offer but as you might have heard of the yotes that killed the woman down here we have many to get rid of, and we got a lot so far. Maybe next year i.ll drive back were there is no traffic and record some good calls and send them to you.Best of luck with the calls.

Johnny aka soletitbe

Thanks Johnny aka soletitbe. You have been a Great Help! Thanks for everything and keep enjoying the Great Outdoors!:D

[FlHunter23]

Dang i wanna hear the calls too.

[Soletitbe]

Dang i wanna hear the calls too.

pm me your email FlHunter and i will forward them to ya.;)

if you don,t want to give out your main email, make up a hotmail account.:D

[TrophyTracker]

That sound was pretty wild. It almost sonuds like some type of Australian Bushman's musical instrument! Pretty fantastic, thanks for sharing.

[Soletitbe]

That sound was pretty wild. It almost sonuds like some type of Australian Bushman's musical instrument! Pretty fantastic, thanks for sharing.

Your welcome. It sure would be nice to know an expert on a deer's vocal cords and diaphragm. I read the following online. The deer’s groan is directly related to body size. Deer share a vocal trait with humans — the descended larynx — which increases the length of their vocal tract and allows the groan to deepen. As the groan travels from the animal’s vocal chords, through its throat and out of its mouth, it is uniquely modulated to create formant frequencies. It sure has a lot of pitch changes and would be hard to make a mouth call from it, i would think but sure would be nice to try.:cool:

[FlHunter23]

I was walking around in some pretty thick brush last year and i stopped and used a primos can. I kept hearing what sounded to me like a clicking or popping type sound. it was hard to pinpoint the exact location it was coming from. Every time i hit the can it seemed to answer back. I walked maybe 50 yards and sat on the ground for a little bit and seen 3 baby pigs playing around. I heard the clicking and popping again and they mossied on off into the thicket. Im guessing momma winded me and called them to her?

[Soletitbe]

I was walking around in some pretty thick brush last year and i stopped and used a primos can. I kept hearing what sounded to me like a clicking or popping type sound. it was hard to pinpoint the exact location it was coming from. Every time i hit the can it seemed to answer back. I walked maybe 50 yards and sat on the ground for a little bit and seen 3 baby pigs playing around. I heard the clicking and popping again and they mossied on off into the thicket. Im guessing momma winded me and called them to her?

Maybe you should have been using a QB can and you would,nt have got miss piggy to call ya.;) No, your right on FIHunter23, the bleat calls seems to get the attension of many different species for some reason. We have no wild pigs down here but my son shot a big yote that was on the full run under his tree stand coming stright to the bleat call from my stand. Another day i made the call after sitting behind a deadfall and it sounded like a heard of buffalo was coming down the mountain at me. It turned out to be a doe with her two young ones on a full out run through the dry leaves after hearing the call. The mom, like yours sensing fear or danger stopped them with a short vocal and they walked off about 10 feet from me. I thought i was going to be run over so maybe it was my fear she sensed.;) Makes hunting that much more fun because ya never know what will be next. Hope its not a herd of buffalo, because we don,t have them here neither.:eek:

[TrophyTracker]

Sam,

It's a tough call on the clicking and popping sound, as in Jumper Creek, it could also be a dude in his stand cracking open another Bud Light:eek::D

[FlHunter23]

I got all three of the primo cans and I never use them. every once in a while ill pull one out for shiz and giggles. A couple years back I was hunting in the forest and two does came feeding through at about 50 yrds and I used the can. they didn't seem to pay any attention to it at all and just kept feeding on through.

I've used a fawn distress call numerous times early archery in locations that I've known deer to be in. I haven't had any luck with that either. Maybe I wasn't calling right or nobody was home.

For me and where I hunt I find calling to be useless. I won't even watch hunting shows anymore. I get suckerd in every time. Theres just something about seeing someone shoot a big ole ten point using a new call that gets me everytime. im real bad about that kind of stuff. I could watch a 10 minute video on how to build a house and id be at lowes buying supplies before the video was even over.

Ha Ha Chad you just might be right about that. I see beer cans every where down there.

[tyson129]

I know a few cracks and clicks in my woods are well, lets say camo cans.:)

[ameritaz]

soletitbe, if you still have the recordings i would love to hear them , i tried to pm you but i am unable at this point . if you pm me i will send my email to you .