Deer Calling Bucks and Does How Much is Too Much?

[tyson129]

I have tried many different approaches to calling in deer, and with the very Educated Pro Staff and Members on the QB Forums I was hoping to get some feedback on Calling. I would like to hear what everyone has to say about the following:
How much is too much?
Tips for Buck Calls?
Tips for Doe Bleats?
Different Approaches for Areas and Times of the Year?
Tips for Loudness (Not pertaining to windy days and open fields)?
Tips for Specific Calls?
I believe everyone can benefit from this and I hope to see a lot of feedback.
Please be specific in your answers so those who don't know every unsaid variable can understand what you mean to the fullest extent.
Thanks in Advance for your Participation!
Happy Hunting and Calling! :D

[TrophyTracker]

Replying to all that could take the better part of an afternoon!:D

[tyson129]

Replying to all that could take the better part of an afternoon!:D

Sorry, I love information and learning new tips and tricks, especially from the Pros like yourself!!!:D

[tyson129]

Thanks DaddyPaul for your reply. I am trying to initiate conversation in the Forum, and this Topic offers plenty of that. Don't feel like you have to answer every question in one post, lets toss some tips around and give feedback.
I keep checking back on the forum during my breaks at work and nothing has changed or been updated over the last day or two with the exception of "The One" and "New Ride".
I Just thought Others would like to share and contribute in one of the most diverse approaches to deer hunting.
And with all you Pros here on the QB Call Forums, I am def looking forward to hearing how you use the QB calls best and any tips you can offer.
I can't be the only one who wants to know and learn more about using the QB calls on Deer...We are all here because of our love for QB calls in one way or another, and I can't wait to eat up your posts....Hope it is EXTRA GAMEY! :)
Thanks in Advance!
Happy Hunting!:D

[tyson129]

I did start the Thread so I will throw a tip out there that I find useful in the Beginning to Peak of the rut in November when deer are fighting for dominance.
This Tip Starts by taking out a rattle bag or some horns. I use a Bag if I am packing light and going deep into our land. I like using real horns better because there is nothing like the real thing and for this tip they are much more useful.
I will head out into the woods, following game trails and scrape lines until I find an area that has seen a lot of action or if I am lucky enough, the buck's hideout "safe zone". Sometimes I know where I am going before hand in which case I will slowly hunt my way to that spot.
When I get to the spot that I want to hunt I will check my wind direction and get an idea of where the deer are most likely to come in from, because we all know that they don't always walk into the wind. I try to find a place that offers concealment to my back like a big tree or other natural obstruction that will conceal some of my movement and also give me a place to rest my back if I did not pack my folding chair to the side of my backpack (This is not a bad thing to do, it is light and doesn't make noise if I shift and offers lots of comfort). Make sure you face so the wind is blowing on your back so you are looking right down wind.
Once I am all setup I will listen for a few minutes and start off with some soft grunts that start to get louder and than I will take the horns and do a connecting strike, pause for a second or two than rotate my wrists to get a good rattle sound. I am trying to make it sound like the deer have locked into each others antlers and are just beginning the battle.
This is where my tip comes into play. Use your feet and the horns while doing the rattling sequence on the ground. Make some nice hard "Thuds" and don't be afraid to kick some leaves around and make it sound like the deer are locked into each others horns and are in a pushing contest. The tree or whatever obstruction that you have chosen for your back will help to conceal your movements.
Remember to keep your eyes constantly moving, scanning the woods for approaching bucks, especially the dominant one your trying to call back into his own scrapes/rubs/whatever signs that are there that made you choose that location.
I like to have a healthy dose of dominant buck urine spread around for this tip on deer rattling (A dominant Buck does not like other bucks peeing where he has and it also acts as concealment and attractant!). I also like to do some grunts and heavy breathing while I do this rattling and thumping the ground call. Remember those Deer are using all of their strength to fight each other off, and the noise on the ground and the breathing is reflected in that and will offer realism to your rattling sequence.
Remember have fun and make some noise because in this scenario you can really go all out!
Hope everyone or at least someone finds this helpful!
Happy Hunting! :D

[tyson129]

Don't forget that deer when fighting may lock antlers multiple times during a fight before the looser scurrys off. Remember to Simulate this in your rattling sequence as well. Between the "Rattling" noises pull the horns away from each other and pause than crack them back together locking them and repeating the rattling sequence every time with variation to evoke realism.
Use the horns on the ground with a dragging motion as well, because heads locked up can go in many directions!
Also Keep in mind that eventually one deer looses and will usually run off or at least distance itself from the victor. You are the judge on how long a fight will last, find a happy medium for a rattling sequence. You are better off having it be more like a Mike Tyson Fight than a 10 minute drag out IMO! Circumstances and other variables will change how long it will last such as an approaching deer.
Stop when you see or hear a deer!!!! Or you will blow your cover fast!
Good Luck and I hope this Helps!:D

[TrophyTracker]

Tyson,

My input on this one will be pretty limited, as I don't deer hunt during the time of year that the calls are the most effective,much. My deer hunting comes in Pa's Rifle season usually, when the rut is long over, and the deer have been shot at a ton due to early youth, and Senior rifle and Muzzleloader hunting. By the time I get after them, it's time to dig them out of the trenches. I have my hunting style outlined in another thread. Once reading it, you will understand why the calls don't come into play as much as in other methods.

I spend the early part of the hunting season Waterfowl, and Fall turkey hunting, in Fl,PA.NY, and NJ, getting time in with our other lines of calls. Our Waterfowl calls have not gotten the attention they deserve, so I have been working hard in that direction. I wish there were more days in the year to hunt all the species that I would like to, but the logistics of out of State hunts, and sometimes the home hunts, cause me to sacrifice something. The state of deer hunting in my area, makes the choice an easy one.

DaddyPaul is an excellent authority in the area of deer hunting, as he has killed more deer than most of us on here would see in a weeks worth of spotlighting in a cut corn field at night. His word is Golden. I am going to drum up a cpoule of other Pro's from the QB roster to get them back in here to mix it up!

Thanks also, for adding some input as well! I really appreciate your eagerness to learn and chat with us on here!

[tyson129]

If you use the Squeezin' Bleat with your foot, only make contact at the end of the soft rubber farthest away from the call or you will spend the entire time continually putting the call back into the rubber. The call will keep popping out of the rubber squeeze piece.
Also when attaching the rubber to the call, place the rubber over one side than open the rubber wide before sliding it over the call or you will make a short weird sounding bleat (If that is what you want to call it). You can do it any way you like but if you like to be the one in control of how the call operates, putting the rubber on the call correctly plays a large roll in that.
Good Luck! :D

[tyson129]

Man I was really hoping for some tips or something on that DVD which was the exact same DVD that came with my Squeezin' Bleat. I have been told that a tending grunt can last as long as 7 seconds but what that guy did on the DVD sounded like a dirt bike, shifting and all! I just wish they would have thrown in some calling tips or some useful information instead of just a bunch of hype.
I got the call out and have done some grunting with it. I must admit that it is truly the most realistic sounding grunt call that I have ever seen and/or used, and I love how the extension is so soft that it does not make any sounds when extending or retracting! You can get some beautiful fluctuations in tone with that call without any added noises from adjusting the call.
I highly recommend this call to anyone looking for a new grunt call, just wish they had an instructional DVD or a DVD that had tips specific to that call, because we all know that every call operates just a little differently and if there are any tips the user should know about them.
Happy Hunting! :D